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My Saiyans Comparison List : Cell and Buu Arc
Topic Started: Jun 24 2013, 01:07 PM (1,588 Views)
Professor Freeza Jun 24 2013, 01:07 PM Post #1
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 I will start with MSSj Goku from Cell Games .

  • MSSj CG Goku = 100

    Now , after Goku and Gohan came out of the Rosat , we know Goku displayed 50% of his power to Korin , which was felt by everyone . Vegeta was Shocked to see Goku surpassed him so much . But he might have assumed that Power was MSSj Goku's 100% power . So , after his second rosat trip , Vegeta came out , being confident that he again became stronger than goku . But he Goku actually went 100% , he was shocked and later admitted that goku was much stronger than him . That Proves that SSj vegeta was stronger than 50% MSSj Goku .

  • SSj CG Vegeta = 75
    Why only 75% ? Because Vegeta said that Goku was much more stronger than him . And this makes Goku about 1.33x Stronger than vegeta . Quite a big gap , where we have seen 1.2x to be a stomping gap previously.

    Now we come to Perfect Cell's Power @ Goku . Cell wanted a good fight . but for that , he needs to keep his power close to the Full power of Goku , yet not make it equal . Perfect Cell's Power @ Goku doesnt need to be decently stronger than Goku's . A minimum gap is fine.

  • Perfect Cell @ Goku = 112
    A Rivaling 1.12x gap . Nothing huge

    Next is Kid Gohan. As evident , MSSj Kid Gohan's power was much more than MSSj Goku's Power. Not only he made to make Cell Power up again [who was previously using about the same power that he used against goku] , Cell had to go Full speed to gain an advantage against gohan , but Gohan was still holding his own .

  • MSSj Kid Gohan = 135

    A 1.35x gap is actually logical for Gohan and Goku .

  • Perfect Cell @ Goku = 151 [With Full Speed]
    The Ratio of the Power gap between Cell-Goku and Cell-Gohan is about the same [for me]

    Next , we come to Buu Saga . Here , both SSj Goku and [Post] Majin Vegeta Surpassed MSSj Kid gohan's Power . Plus , as said be Goku later-on , thier Power's were exactly equal .
Quote from Herms' Strength Checker
 
Vegeta: "I'm looking forward to this...Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I'd expect. Your power is greater than Gohan's was back then!"


"Your power is greater than Gohan's was back then" How much Greater ? Not fully determined . But from this quote , it seems like the Power gap is not small , for it will not please Vegeta at all . yet , it wont be Huge like the gap between The Gap Between Pre majin Vegtwa and Buu Saga Goku , but it will will be a good one . That Makes :

[*]SSj Buu Saga Goku = 180
[*]SSj [Post] Majin Vegeta= 180
This is about equal to the gap between Kid Gohan and CG Goku [1.33x]

Speaking of Pre Majin vegeta , where would he be placed ? Well , he said that the Power Gap between him and goku did not change even after 7 years of intense training . That Makes Pre Majin vegeta still 75% of Buu Saga Goku . Thats again a 1.33x gap . So , using the numbers , where does it put pre Majin Vegeta ?

[*]SSj [Pre] Majin Vegeta= 134
This makes his very , very close to SSj Kid Gohan

Now its turn for Teen gohan . He didnt train for 7 years and his power came down a lot , as evident from these quotes :
Quote from Herms' Strength Checker
 
Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4
Gohan: "Well, I've become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?"
Kibito: "...Wh-what tremendous power...I can't believe he's a being of the lower world!"
Vegeta: "...Hmph...That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It's because he slacked off in his training during peacetime..."

Quote from Herms' Strength Checker
 
Vegeta: "Hmph...Even so, he's not an opponent [he? we?] can't win against. [Gohan]'s so pathetic...So much so that he was stronger as a brat..."
Goku: "He really did slack off!"


Vegeta says that Gohan was far , far stronger as a kid . Later he again says he was much stronger as a kid and Goku agrees . That proves that Teen Gohan has lost much power in the 7 years , along with his skills and training . So i keep him at :

[*]SSj Teen Gohan = 85
Also , i believe in something else . A person loses power far quickly [and more] than he gains it. For this , i believe he became weaker than Goku [@ CG]

Finally , we come at the two Super Saiyan Kids
Another quote from herms' :
Quote:
 
Chapter: 427 (DBZ 233), P12.3-6
Context: after Gohan and Goten spar a little bit
Gohan: "You're very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn't known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you'll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!"
Goten: "Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!"
Gohan: "Really!? That’s how you guys have been playing?...*thinking* If I'm not careful, I'll be outstripped...by these little squirts..."


Gohan says that he was surprised by Goten's power . he also thinks that the Kids could surpass him if he 'is not careful' . that might be in the near future , but not very soon .

[*]SSj Goten = 76
[*]SSj Trunks= 78[/list]

So , thats it guys . My Saiyans Comparison list is complete . Now , please see this can state your views on this
Edited by Professor Freeza, Jun 27 2013, 03:59 AM.
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SSJ Jun 24 2013, 10:52 PM Post #2
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 Vegeta being that low in the Cell Games doesn't seem necessary.
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Professor Freeza Jun 25 2013, 03:17 AM Post #3
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 He said Goku's power was much more . and a 1.67x gap is the minimum for that
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SSJ Jun 25 2013, 03:34 AM Post #4
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 Where did you get that number from? A one shot gap is only 1.2x. I think it should look like this:

Goku SSJ: 100
Vegeta SSJ: 75
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+ Kyouks Jun 25 2013, 03:50 AM Post #5
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 If a stomping gap is 1.2x, then having "much more" power definitely doesn't make a 60% gap the minimum. Your personal preference isn't what's given.
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Professor Freeza Jun 25 2013, 01:14 PM Post #6
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 Then you guyz are saying he was just 1.3x weaker ? Even Gohan was that much stronger than Goku .
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Zenet Jun 25 2013, 04:49 PM Post #7
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Cell never powered up against MSSJ Gohan he just increased his speed. Gohan is a bit stronger than Perfect Cell fighting Goku in terms of power but much higher in speed. And your gap between Goku and Cell is too big there power should be almost the same.

Gohan > > Perfect Cell >~ Goku

Edited by Zenet, Jun 25 2013, 05:00 PM.
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Professor Freeza Jun 25 2013, 04:55 PM Post #8
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 1.12x gap is a rivaling power gap
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Zenet Jun 25 2013, 04:58 PM Post #9
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Professor Freeza
Jun 25 2013, 04:55 PM
1.12x gap is a rivaling power gap
Its a dominating gap. Goku and Cell looked almost equal.
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+ Kyouks Jun 25 2013, 04:59 PM Post #10
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Professor Freeza
Jun 25 2013, 01:14 PM
Then you guyz are saying he was just 1.3x weaker ? Even Gohan was that much stronger than Goku .
I'm not saying anything about what I think the gap is. I'm saying that there's no need for 1.67x to be the minimum gap. We know Goku's much stronger than Vegeta. We know Vegeta's stronger than 50% Goku. That's it. He could be 60 or he could be 75, both of which fulfill the conditions given, but 60 isn't the minimum.

@zenet: Your power isn't almost the same when you're on the receiving end of a one-sided beating. Not sure how many times we've been through this but it's unbelievable, to put it bluntly. Goku has it handed to him and struggles to properly land a hit, and Vegeta later describes Cell as having been one or two steps ahead of Goku. No matter how you slice it, they aren't close in power.
Edited by Kyouks, Jun 25 2013, 05:00 PM.
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SSJ Jun 25 2013, 05:05 PM Post #11
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 Kyo joining the fray again! Good to see.
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Zenet Jun 25 2013, 05:11 PM Post #12
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jun 25 2013, 04:59 PM
Professor Freeza
Jun 25 2013, 01:14 PM
Then you guyz are saying he was just 1.3x weaker ? Even Gohan was that much stronger than Goku .
I'm not saying anything about what I think the gap is. I'm saying that there's no need for 1.67x to be the minimum gap. We know Goku's much stronger than Vegeta. We know Vegeta's stronger than 50% Goku. That's it. He could be 60 or he could be 75, both of which fulfill the conditions given, but 60 isn't the minimum.

@zenet: Your power isn't almost the same when you're on the receiving end of a one-sided beating. Not sure how many times we've been through this but it's unbelievable, to put it bluntly. Goku has it handed to him and struggles to properly land a hit, and Vegeta later describes Cell as having been one or two steps ahead of Goku. No matter how you slice it, they aren't close in power.
One side beating? Cell needed a senzu after the fight he got a beating himself.
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+ Kyouks Jun 25 2013, 05:15 PM Post #13
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Cenet
Jun 25 2013, 05:11 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jun 25 2013, 04:59 PM
Professor Freeza
Jun 25 2013, 01:14 PM
Then you guyz are saying he was just 1.3x weaker ? Even Gohan was that much stronger than Goku .
I'm not saying anything about what I think the gap is. I'm saying that there's no need for 1.67x to be the minimum gap. We know Goku's much stronger than Vegeta. We know Vegeta's stronger than 50% Goku. That's it. He could be 60 or he could be 75, both of which fulfill the conditions given, but 60 isn't the minimum.

@zenet: Your power isn't almost the same when you're on the receiving end of a one-sided beating. Not sure how many times we've been through this but it's unbelievable, to put it bluntly. Goku has it handed to him and struggles to properly land a hit, and Vegeta later describes Cell as having been one or two steps ahead of Goku. No matter how you slice it, they aren't close in power.
One side beating? Cell needed a senzu after the fight he got a beating himself.
He was blasted in half by a Kamehameha and regenerated. Before that, nothing.
Are you sure you know what happens in the Cell Games?
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Professor Freeza Jun 25 2013, 05:16 PM Post #14
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Cenet
Jun 25 2013, 05:11 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jun 25 2013, 04:59 PM
Professor Freeza
Jun 25 2013, 01:14 PM
Then you guyz are saying he was just 1.3x weaker ? Even Gohan was that much stronger than Goku .
I'm not saying anything about what I think the gap is. I'm saying that there's no need for 1.67x to be the minimum gap. We know Goku's much stronger than Vegeta. We know Vegeta's stronger than 50% Goku. That's it. He could be 60 or he could be 75, both of which fulfill the conditions given, but 60 isn't the minimum.

@zenet: Your power isn't almost the same when you're on the receiving end of a one-sided beating. Not sure how many times we've been through this but it's unbelievable, to put it bluntly. [url=/list/gain_1.php?fpp=10&did=0-0-26&smf=1&fid=135]Goku has it handed to him and struggles to properly land a hit[/url], and Vegeta later describes Cell as having been one or two steps ahead of Goku. No matter how you slice it, they aren't close in power.
One side beating? Cell needed a senzu after the fight he got a beating himself.
Actually , he didnt need one that much , if that worn down cell increased his power and speed , he would have dominated Gohan like he actually did without any problem
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SSJ Jun 25 2013, 05:16 PM Post #15
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 The anime f**** it up so badly. I watched the entire fight yesterday, and Trunks says midway into the fight that they were equal, and their powers kept growing. This was just before the air KHH.

On topic: It becomes clear when Cell releases that purple energy barrier how much of an advantage he has over Goku. He had so much energy left, compared to Goku who had basically none.
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